Today is day number
Today is day number two that I've recieved a message from Gloria. I hope this is not going to be a continuing pattern. However. She's upset that I've said some disparaging things about her in my journal in the past. Imagine that. Me writing about how I feel in a journal, me conveying my experiances in whatever form is possible through writing to this journal... it's beyond me. She want's me to change my journal, to alter entries. I'm not going to do it. First, because if my uncle has tried and failed, and regardless of my relationship with my uncle- I respect and honor him far far greater than I do Gloria-, what makes her think that I'm going to do it for her? That's just crazy. Second, there's no legal recourse that she could possibly have that would make me take it down. I'm not slandering her, I'm not misrepresenting her, I'm talking about MY FEELINGS as they happen here and that is the whole point of this. So, "No" to the modifications. It's plain and simple. I will however, post the entire text of our little email dialog so that she can clearly represent herself. And I will also post my responses because I'm pretty proud of how level headed and well thought out I managed to make them. I can remember a day when it would have been really ugly, and I've managed to confirm for myself that I am past that. So, without further ado...
-----------Her Original Message------------------------
From: Sean B----- <-------@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: -------@earthlink.net
To: josebiro@josebiro.com
Subject: WoooooH
Date: 29 Nov 2001 20:44:23 -0600
Jeeeze Jose
Perk up, Goth is out.
If everything was my fault why does your life still suck and why is mine really great, I'm in Loyola's BSN program, rehabing a building, friends..... Make yourself happy.
Gloria
-------------My Reply....-----------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:23:21 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph
To: Gloria <-------@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: WoooooH
What? Hell has frozen over to have all the little cockroaches crawl out of
their holes and come to bug me, hasn't it? Oh- life is a funny thing
at times. Just when I think I'm rid of you for good you rear your ugly
head. You're sort of like a tick that way I suppose, burrowing your narrow
little head under the surface and suck suck sucking until the host is
completely dry (please, refrain from the analogies...). I guess you
managed to pull your head out just long enough to send this little tid bit
to me eh? Somehow I suspect something narcissistic in your motives, but at
the same time it's a little flattering. Can't stop thinking about me after
all these years, I know... Wish I could say the feeling is mutual, but
since you ask, I am doing well. I've been busy and stressed, oh, and
making a lot more money lately, it's nice to finally live comfortably and
not in squaller, animal filth, constant stress, and manipulation. It frees
me to pursue more creative outlets. I've been doing a little theater, a
little cinema, I'm starting to make a name for myself in several arenas
and it feels pretty good. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realize
that not everything going on in my life makes it to the journal. I learned
a long time ago that there are women out there that just want a man to
take care of them and will do anything to achieve that goal. I try not to
advertise too many details. No, things are going pretty well now, I hate
my current job, but I'm being recruited by two other firms which is rare
in this economy. No real love interests right now, but it's nice to not
worry about it, which is a recent bit of happiness and comfort... I don't
need to worry about it though, I figure the right girl will come along at
the right time, and I'll recognize her this time instead of perpetuating
the cycles of bad decision making I was wrapped up in. I've lost a lot of
weight, I've taken myself off antidepressants, and off of all drugs. I
have fun doing exactly what I'm doing which, if I recall was one of our
wedding vows... "making every day an adventure." Funny the irony, don't
you think? I'm going out to LA next week to try and drum up financial
support for a project I'm working on, I've been promised a Lakers game
while I'm out there. Oh, and I get to go watch Catherine do stand up! I'll
tell her you send your regards. She'll love to hear that. I'm probably
going to go on tour with a friends band early next year, he's got Virgin,
Sony, and Mercury all interested and bidding, he's letting me do all the
video for the stage show and the tour, it's going to ba a blast plus it'll
be bonus money... it's a pretty good chance that if all that goes well
I'll get the video deals as well which is good because I have a ton of
ideas. All of those fears that I used to expose to you, the ones that you
used to ridicule and resent me for... it's funny, but they gradually just
melted away. They don't seem to exist at all anymore. I never noticed them
slip away, but the change is obvious. I used to be afraid to live, and now
I'm not afraid of *anything*... it's a nice spot to be in. There's part of
me that wishes you could have made the rest of this journey with me, I
can't deny that I still think about it. I don't dwell on it though. There
are more bitter memories than fond ones. The fond ones are usually of
Isabelle. I'm sure she's not ever going to share that view. But I know that
when I have kids, I'm going to be the best Dad. I learned that from her
(learning the hard way is still learning). I learned a lot of how to do it
from you too, that and more from you though... which is what makes it
painful to deal with you. I've had to go through some crazy shit to get
you out of my system. I think it was worse than any kind of chemical
withdraw, but just the same it was worth it. Like finding religion after a
decade long crack addition, I've come through the other side and I like
what I see. I like the man I've become. Oooooohhh, yeah, I remember what
it was... I found a story that had a character, June Jones, it was an F.
Scott Fitzgerald short, the character reminded me of you. The story... I
think it's called "Winter Dreams" hehehe... how's that for irony? It's
good though, you might have read it... No, you want something to feed your
ego, here... I'll cut to the quick. Obviously it was difficult after
someone so "experianced" as you to enjoy other lovers (see, I'm being kind
and not calling names despite the tempation), so eventually I quit
trying... It's amazing to me how many women out there are completely used
to having really bad sex. I've had to fight them off to make them go away
a couple of times because I was so spoiled and they couldn't live up, but
what other options are there at times? I don't know... that's all been a
while ago. Celibacy is frustrating, but it lets me focus my energy (it's
funny how people that can't get a date call it "celibacy" even though they
would break it at the drop of a dime, don't you think? ;-) I at least have
the luxury of not wanting a date, so I feel justified) No, now I'm just
looking for Ms Right. She'll be along sooner or later, and if not, I'll
enjoy the ride regardless (no pun intended)... now that I've dumped all
the weight and have been working out, even the Lincoln Park Trixies are
checking me out, so that feels good. Scarey, but good. Anyway, I guess
that's a more accurate representation of what's going on with me then what
you've been reading. Still I have to think you've been reading the old
stuff because I've done a lot of entries that don't mention you at all.
Family and friends have been far more important to me lately. You still
creep up now and then though both in my journal and wether I want it or
not, in my life. I suppose you will from time to time. I don't know why I
have a tendancy to fall in love with the wrong people, but I did for
you... and hard. So if that feeds your ego, so be it. Life does go on, and
mine doesn't revolve around you so I suppose you're free to get your kicks
however you feel at this point. Which brings me to my last point I
suppose, which is the same old song and dance... Please don't
write/call/whatever... blah blah blah... you've ignored it every other
time, I suppose you will this time too, but it makes me feel better to
say. Good luck with life and I hope one day you find what you're after.
Regards,
Joseph
--------------------Mail from her today--------------------
From: ------@luc.edu
To: josebiro@josebiro.com
Subject: Wait...before you put that filter on......
Date: 30 Nov 2001 14:14:03 -0600
Jose,
This is my actual account so this is what you want to block. Howvever before
you do there are some things that I would like to clear up and ask you to
remove from your site. As well as apologize for my e-mail last night.
First, I was diagnosed with BPD by a bad doctor in a bad hospital. I do not
currently or have I ever had BPD, please correct that. If you would like you
may put that I was addicted to oxycontin for nearly nine months, suffered from
an undiagnosed ACL tear, and lived with a drug addict, which complicated my own
true isms and addictions. I am and will always be a co-dependant who is
addicted to chaos because it distracts me from doing my own work. I am very
greatful to say that with two years of intensive therapy and some really great
hypno-therapy regression that I have been able to face the "Great Pit of
Forever Unloveable" that has been in my heart since before I had a consious
memory of it. I am sure that you don't want to, but Joseph, I am very proud of
my recovery, and I want it to be out there for people to see that it is
possible to face your deamons and come out on top. I wish this for you too.
Last night, as I was praying I asked God what to do because I knew that sending
you that nasty little e-mail was not the right thing to do. All I know is that
what I was trying to say though it dosen't look like it is- Why won't you do
the things to make yourself happy? Actually I know that answer. You are an
addict as much as I am or Sean or Mack. And for and addict to change whe have
to hit rock bottom. It is the Robert Downey Jr. Scenario, he keeps using
because people keep bailing him out and giving him "last chances". I hit my
rock bottom with my suicide attempt. I knew I had to change or die, and I had
used up all my last chances. You are very unhappy but you aren't enoungh to
change. Joseph, your journal is an endless cycle of "hotties" that you meet
fall for and then lose, it is and exhausting emotional rollercoster ride to
read. When was the last time that you atarted from the begining and caculated
what your cycle of up's and suicidal lows were? Use your journal as a tool for
recovery . Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing
over and over again and expecting different results. I am so thankful to God
that through my attempt and and my recovery that I have been able to break a
large part of that cycle. However and you saw from last night it is a constant
battle not to fall back into old patterns. I really don't intend on obsessing
over your site, I am really not that interested. But it was enlightening to
see you and all your issues on the screen in front of me and it confirmend that
I was only responsible for 50% of the breakdown in the relationship. That is
all either one was responsible for.
I understand that for your readership that you must refer to me as the sad ex
but I really think that you should evaluate that statement. I have my struggles
with Sean, but they aren't pointless and repetitive issues. We have fears over
money and the business, but there is that constant feeling of moving forward--
no more grinding days of not wanting to get up out of bed and feeling suicidaly
depressed which sadly enough you seem to still cycle through.
Jose, I just really do wish and will pray, in much the same manner that you
mocked your stepmother that you surrender to God and please try just one
Narcotics Anonomous meeting, and that you break this cycle in your life. You
are brilliant. Just imagine how much more you could do clean and sober... There
are a lot of recovering addicts that are still creative. I know that is what I
thought I would loose if I gave up my addiction to seeking excitement. I still
write fabulously and am getting ready to work with Naomi Wolf on a revision of
her recent book. In the day I would have self sabatoged that whole scenario
because I didnt feel deserving.
I hope that you read this and that you didn't just dump it and I hope that you
are not turned off but the fact that I am really making a strong statement for
you to look in your heart and see if you are an addict. No one can tell you and
and only You and God know. Even though I have expressed my opinion on the
matter it is not for me to decide or make a judgement about it. It is hard to
pray for you, but when I have problems with people I ask for God to give them
1000 times more abundance than I ask for myself. I hope that God finds you
before you hit the bottom.
Peace,
Gloria
-----------------------------My Response to today's letter...----------------
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:17:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph
To: ------@luc.edu
Subject: Re: Wait...before you put that filter on......
T-
Regardless of what you had, you were sick. I'll own up to my part. I
crutched on marijuana for a long time, but I don't smoke anymore, and I
don't drink so your assessment of me as an addict is baseless. Furthermore
I got myself together without therapy which I firmly believe it is a
crutch for the weak minded fools that are desperate enough to pay for it.
I have better things to do with my time and money than throw it away on
drugs, women, or therapists. After I went through the mourning period that
I had with you, I came out the other side a stronger person. I know that
you have "selective listening" skills, but I'm assuming from this latest
message that you haven't checked your other account yet, it should make
interesting reading. It explains where I'm at now which is not at all
where you think I am. Your experience and mine are very different.
Always have been, always will be. Reading this letter feels like
that time we went to see Phyllis Shaeffley where we'd decided
that she assumed her experiance was the same as everyone else in
the world. It's simply not the case. Read the e-mail. As for the
journal, everything I wrote is true. Granted, it's all from my
perspective, but it's all true. I will not alter my journal because that
is how I saw events at the time. You've verbally given your permission
once to let me write whatever about you, and I've used it. And to top it
off, those things were the firsthand experiance of what I went through
when I was with you. If I were you, I'd use it like I do, as a tool of
rememberance. If you want to preach your side of things, feel free, write
your own site about it all, knock yourself out. I do have my take on the
things that I experience, and it comes out there. To be honest
though, I don't write about you often enough to really make it worth your
while to make a big stink, and no one reads my pages anyway except for a
few friends. To be perfectly honest, I don't care who you are now, the
Gloria I knew is in the past. So feel free to preach your case to the
world, let them be the judge of who you are now, they will ultimately
decide how they choose to relate to you anyhow regardless of what is or
was ever written about you by me or anyone else. As for me, I'm golden,
you should really read the response I sent you yesterday. And don't dig
too much for meaning in what words I write in the journal. What is there
is a momentary snapshot of an emotional state, and as we all know by now-
emotional states are fleeting and volitile. I'm pretty in touch with
that now, just as I was when I started it three years ago.
Okay, now that I'm done with my inital reaction, I'll respond to points in
your e-mail. Good for you on the BPD count- however, the narcissism that
you had, and still seem to struggle with was a bigger problem. You know
me, you know I never trusted Doctors to really know what was going on
anyhow. Must go back to that "holistic" thing that you preached but
refused to live by. Whatever your addictions, whatever the problems, the
fact remains that you were sick. I was sick too, but in very different
ways. As for your "Forever Unlovable" thing? I knew it from the time you
mentioned Rilke to me. I was just nieve enough to believe that if I loved
you strong enough and hard enough that I could break through it. Instead I
just gave myself a headache beating my head on that brick wall.
So, you ask why I won't do the things to make myself happy... hmmm...
that's really funny. I'm pretty happy overall when I'm not getting email
from you. I'm doing a lot of things that make me happy. I'm doing a
lot of things that at one time would have made you happy to be involved
with as well. Life is actually pretty damn good right now. And getting
better. I learned something important from someone a long time ago. It's
important to take care of ones self, spa days, that kind of thing. It
seems to work, and people really do pick up on it. You see, you misjudge
me. You don't know what my addictions are or were. You thought all the
time that it was the drugs? I knew after a while of being with you that it
was "bad relationships" for lack of time I'll leave it at that rather
gross simplification. You were my "rock bottom" as you put it. And
breaking away from you was my redemption. The really funny thing is when
you write that I am not enough to change. Perhaps this is the very root of
your own problems stemming back to your formative years. I *am* enough to
change. I *am* all I really will ever have in this life and world. I have
friends, they will come and go (not all of them hopefully), I have family,
they will eventually go, I have lovers, they come and go... the one constant?
Me. I have to rely on myself for everything now, and I've learned that I
am completely capable of depending on myself. This makes me dependable to
(*not* dependant on) other people. Other people are willing to pay for, rely
on, and in some cases even die for dependable people. I'm glad to be one
of those. I've always had it in me. Your information about me is limited
so I'll ignore your summery of my life because it's really just ironic. I
withhold information from my journal and I keep close ties on whatever
information about me might leak into your hands because I don't trust you.
I don't like you. And I don't want you knowing anything about what I'm up
to or what I'm doing other than what I'm willing to divulge (which is more
than it used to be, but still far less than someone that I would consider
a friend). I'm sure part of that is the security expert in me, but the
rest of it is just common sense. Fortunately I don't count you as an enemy
either or else I'd probably have to talk to you daily. We don't want to
drop into that do we?
From there you ramble on into some senseless little cliche about the
definition of insanity. All I have to say is that you cling to catch
phrases like a drowning man to a life preserver. Whatever gets you
through. Insanity for me at this point is the expectation that you will
say something even remotely thought provoking and original.
Ah, now here's some meat... the constant battle... I'm starting to run into a
lot of females who say that they are strong and independant, but in
reality are codependant and weak. It's frustrating to see and recognize.
It makes me realize that I can not be with someone that knows in her heart
things will not change, but resigns herself to the misery of it without
hessitation. But I understand as well, It's a struggle to hold on to
change when you realize that what you are is a struggler. I have
emerged from the other side of the nightmare tunnel of what was our
marriage with no struggles. Just a cocoon of emotional chaos. Like a
moth I have emerged from that darkness to light upon a candle, a light,
enlightenment. And its not a struggle to maintain who I am now, it's a
joy. Even now, when I want to write something so nasty and mean, and be as
prickly as I can be, I realize the futility. I have wisdom. I have life. I
know we talked about this a long time ago, and it's just now starting to
come into focus for me but life being the eternal progression that it is
has taught me to never attach literal meaning to premotitions and visions.
I used to think that I would die before I was thirty. One way or another I
knew that I was a dead man. Recently, knowing that my thirtieth birthday
is coming up faster than I really care to think about, it really started
to scare me. What if I put all this energy into this thing and now it's
really going to happen? What if? I was afraid. But I started to think of
all the interpretations of death, of all the things that are written and
our humanly understanding of death, when I realized. What if I already
died? What if I died in that transformational sense that is implied in the
tarot, and discussed among theology students? Then it hit me. The Divorce.
That was the moment I died. It's even more poigniant now, the realization
even more clear, just from talking to you! I'm not going to die
physically, that death I was afraid of has already happened! I can live
now! I can enjoy everything and live without fear now because the worst
has already happened. It's a great comfort and joy to me to know without a
doubt or a moments hesitation that I am no longer the man that was with
you. I am someone wholly different and I can slough off the cocoon that
encased me for those many years. What's really funny to me is that on some
level you get it. You write, "But it was really enlightening to see you
and all your issues on the screen in front of me..." so I know that
somewhere in there you picked up on the import of the journal. Your
interpretation is skewed, but that's nothing new. Regardless, if you know
now you are only responsibile for 50% of what happened, then that is a
good thing. It's all I ever claimed was that I was only 50% responsibile.
I believe you were the one that told me again and again that I was the one
to blame for everything. You won't remember it that way, but I do have
witnesses. Still, you couldn't shake my conviction then, and even though I
doubt on some level you mean it, it's good to know that 50% is all someone
could ever really be responsible for in a couple. I hope that knowledge
does you well with Sean, because ultimately if you want to move forward,
you can only move your 50% forward. You have to be able to rely on the
other 50% to move themselves forward too. It's like a three legged race
that way. One that felt we were always running in circles at.
Now, reading through your letter, we got to the good stuff... first you
accuse me of mocking my step mother, who once you claimed scared you with
her religious convictions. She and I have come to an understanding as of
late though. She won't preach to me, and I won't make fun of her when
we're all on the spaceship riding off this mortal coil. I shouldn't joke
with you about that though, because god only knows how you'll take it.
Seriously though, my religious convictions haven't changed much althought
it sounds as though yours have. You and Mary should get together and have
tea. I've always been open and thought about spirit and how it all fits
and works together. My idea of God and yours is different, I know, but
then you say I am brilliant, so I guess it's good that at least we can
agree on something.
Sobriety comes easier when you don't have constant nagging and
manipulations. It also helps to be motivated and have ideas to
work on. Drugs were easier to kick than you were I'm afraid- and now that
I'm rid of both, just think of all I can do! Drugs were never the
excitement to me though, people were. Fear kept me from wanting to really
experiance things though, so I drugged myself to numb that feeling. Sooner
or later that little world collapsed in on itself though, I started to
feel paranoid. That's when I decided to quit. An important thing to note,
I *decided* to quit. Yes Virginia, there are people out there that can and
do decide to get themselves off the junk. I did it, I'm not the first or
the last. Now I'm addicted to strength, health, character, and
progression. They feel much better in the long run. Chances are I won't
turn to christ or a support group to give them up though, regardless of
how strong a hold they have on me ;-)
Now, knowing that you either haven't read or haven't listened to what I
wrote last time around, I don't expect you to now either. So I completely
expect you to either dismiss or misinterpret this message in part or in
whole. Regardless, you wanted a reaction and I have given it to you. Feel
free to keep praying for me- I do like the one about 1000 times more
abundance than you ask for yourself, I prey that I get a thousand times
more abundance than you do too. Oddly enough I suspect that in the end all
I will get is an equal portion though. So I guess it all evens out. I
wish you well with all that you are trying to accomplish. Pardon me if I'm
pessimistic, but I'm a little jaded on you at this point. Regardless, good
luck with everything and I hope to never hear from you again.
Regards,
Joseph
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Okay, I just want to say off the top... I'm such a better writer!!! :-) But besides all that, I think the letters speak for themselves.
more later,
j-
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